DNA
Dynamic Neural Art
Week 3 - Group Correspondence
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I was thinking, how reasonable would itbe to have software that
recognized faces. I mean, OCR has come a long way, but I know very
little about it. I guess what I;m getting at is this: is video
recognition a reasonable thing? I mean look at it this way- Abowd
has already said we're going to fail :).
Yeah, my proposed agenda:
we have a few topics ready for the meeting.
After a few minutes of discussion, we vote on one.
we then begin on design and direction of our product and come up
with tasks for everyone for the week.
Did we say we'd meet at 3pm? CoC.
well, it's getting late.
later
alp
From lynn@cc.gatech.edu Sun Apr 13 12:01:01 1997
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From: "Robert Walker Sumner"
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Tracing the position of the teacher in a video stream is something I
think we could do. I took Irfan Essa's low level vision class (cs7321)
last quarter and am in high level vision (7322) this quarter, so I
could proabaly think of some ideas of how to apporach it.
Here is my project idea, though. I like it a lot. Tell me what you
think.
We can call the project Genetic Art. Our goal is to write a program
that learns how to make cool looking images. By "cool" I mean that you
look at it and say, "Wow that's an awesome looking image!"
To do this, we first think of some generic tools and operators that
might be used to make cool pictures. For example, drawing squares,
drawing circles, making color gradients, doing blurrs, fractal things,
... all might be good tools/operators. We provide a way to combine or
sequence the tools/operators so that they make a picture. Some
combinations may result in crappy pictures. Other combinations might
result in cool looking pictures. What we want to learn are cool
combinations.
The learning algoriths aren't too hard to understand. The hard part is
that many heavily rely on an evalutation criteria. That
is, we need some way of judging the coolness of an image that the
program makes. That is super hard. I mean, how can you write a
program that can tell is something looks "cool"?? I can't write that. So
what I propose is this. We let real live people do it. The learning
algorithm will be tweaking parameters to make different images. So, we
create lots of different images with different parameters. All the
images are thrown onto a web page. People look at the page and are
asked to select the ones they think are cool. So, they say which
images are cool and which are crappy. This information is sent back
to the learning algorithm to direct it. Based on the info, new images
are created and put on the web for further evalutation.
When we do this, we can try evalutating it ourselves and see if we get
neat images. If we think its working, we can then advertise on world
newsgroups and try to get other people in the world to evaluate.
People have done part of this project already. I've seen some genetic
art stuff where cool pictures were learned. But it was on a small
scope with just one person evaluating the images. By putting them on
the web and asking lots of people to evaluate I think we could learn
quickly and get cooler looking pictures. I'll try to find the web
page, though, to show all of you what's already been tried.
I think this idea is complex and involved enough to justify all of the
planning/meetings/software design procedures that Abowd is teaching
us. Plus it kind of draws on our strenghts. There's the learning
part, the cgi (or java?) part, the html genration part, the artistic
part. And I think we could divide the development up between us by
specifying the way the different parts will interface.
I don't konw. What do you think of this idea? Cool? You hate it?
Way out there? I think it would be fun.
-Bob
From lynn@cc.gatech.edu Sun Apr 13 12:00:48 1997
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To: sumner@cc.gatech.edu (Robert Walker Sumner)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT)
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You'd probably never believe me if I said I thoughtof this last week.
I really thought about creating a software entity that could generate
asthetic images for different peopole. kind of like customized relaxation
images on your very own scenery channel. yeah, I really like this genetic
art idea.
alp
From lynn Mon Apr 14 15:20:30 1997
Subject: Mailing Laura
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Just wanted to let you know that I was going to mail Laura with the job
titles that every one now has. Didn't want to duplicate efforts.
On another note, Enda & I met with Chris Atkenson and gave him the
synopsis of the project. He said to look at what Carl Sims (who is
currently unemployed but did some stuff for SIGGRAPH :) ) seems that he
has done some very similar things. He also suggested contacting Jessica
Hodgins (sp) and getting her thoughts.
He thought it would be "neat" to incorporate this into a wallpaper
scheme. Not the computer kind, but the house kind. There are certain
"rules" that wallpaper has to follow as far as width and the repeat of
the pattern, so that you can determine how much is needed to cover an
area. So he wanted to see ways to make the two meet. Maybe have it
projected onto your walls. More brainstroming here....If you walked in
front of the projector, your shadow would be incorporated into the
design. (You get to do the math on that one, Bob). Other things, having
a virtual wallpapered room. You've found the design you like, have it
rendered or displayed so that you can preview it. Really farfetched, you
wear your special glasses that have your favorite wallpaper selected and
you see it on the walls. Your roommate has another set of glasses with a
different selection, where he/she sees different patterns entirely.
Later,
Lynn
From sumner@gvu.gatech.edu Mon Apr 14 16:58:03 1997
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From: "Robert Walker Sumner"
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I've read the Carl Sims paper that Chris mentioned. I could make
copies of it if the rest of you are interested. It's a pretty interesting
one.
I'll also mention the idea to Jessica in a few days. She's super busy
with paper submissions that are due tomorrow night. I work for her,
by the way, on animation research stuff.
As far as wallpaper goes, the paint-stirring type of images might
be better suited for wallpaper than the fractals. At least better than the
black and white fractals that I've made so far. Gosh, can you
imagine hundreds of those spirals on your wall -- I'd go crazy! But
we should keep that in mind as we flesh out the project.
Enda, I'm making the sample images now and should have them ready soon.
-Bob
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Enda, nine small fractal images are in /net/hg42/sumner/fractals/IFS/small
They are named 1.gif, 2.gif, ... 9.gif
They aren't terribly interesting. I made most of them right now,
trying to think of transformations that would make cool pictures.
So, you can see that I wasn't able to do a very good job. So,
if our program can evolve better images than I can think up, I'd
be happy!
-Bob
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Robert Walker Sumner said . . .
=>
=> They aren't terribly interesting. I made most of them right now,
=> trying to think of transformations that would make cool pictures.
=> So, you can see that I wasn't able to do a very good job. So,
=> if our program can evolve better images than I can think up, I'd
=> be happy!
Phew :)
Alright...After watching the cows again for a little while [this
time in the winqvt main window] I rebooted...and after fixing the
power switch on my stupid computer :) I managed to get the web
page done.
So heres the deal. Right now its on my personal homepage...
www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt8077b
Its kinda functional...kinda...cause for the most part...it does
what we would want it to do...but usually in a very clanky way...
For example...if you try to enlarge a picture [show it in the center
frame] it shows the exact same picture in the center frame :) [same size]
Also you can have 2 number 1 choices. [one on the left side and one on the
right]. Finally you can choose one gif as your first, second AND third
choice.
As I said...it looks the part...and is good enough for RIGHT NOW...its
probably a LOT further than most groups have gotten.
No snide comments about color choices...I like them, they are all happy
colors...and happy colors are your friend :)
Give me feedback...tell me what you like/don't like...not saying I will
fix it RIGHT now...but at least its something I can be thinking about
in all my spare time.
Bye
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
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Subject: proposal
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oops... here's the proposal:
We like cool images. Cool images are useful. By cool, we mean something
that is asthetic, pleasing to look at, or causes a person to say,"wow,
cool picture dude!" They can be soothing paintings on your living room
wall or interesting backgrounds on your computer screen. We want to create
a program that can learn what a cool image is, and then create them. This
relates to the Domisilica projects. Genetic Art, as we call it, may be
displayed on your refrigerator, or on an LCD in your living room; just add
a frame to go around the screen. The picture would periodically update
its self, creating new cool images.
The criteria used to evaluate "cool" would come from an application that
we place on the World Wide Web. Our program on the web would display nine
images, asking the user to select their top choices. Periodically, the
'votes' would be counted up and the 'coolest' image would be selected for
your viewing pleasure. The exact generation process is yet to be determined,
but here is an example:
The top three images are kept in the evaluation pool, and the other six
images are replaced by new pictures created from parameters similar to those
of the top three. Eventually the program will learn to produce cool
pictures, and by placing them on your living room wall (or kitchen) you will
enjoy the comforts of you modern domocile that much more.
We decided to use fractals for our cool images. The project will require
some knowledge of CGI, perl, and HTML for the evaluating the criteria and
also requires C to construct the fractals. We considered using Java, but
since the pictures take some time to generate (a minute or two) we decided
that C would be the best developing tool for the job. The images will be
created and saved to GIF format, then transferred to the web server, where
they may be judged. The update will occur periodically (once every hour).
We still have to research the generation algorithms, as well as those for the
fractals, but they all exist. We have a mock web page up on
www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt8077b, so please check it out. Chris Atkinson seemed
to like the idea, and even suggested special viewing glasses so that everyone
could see a different wallpaper in the same living room, generated by an
algorithm based on their particular tastes. We dicussed how this project
could have a future not only as an added feature of Domosilica, also used
in marketing schemes to generate images based on social profiles. Those are
just thoughts and in the mean time, we'd like to tackle the problem described
in the first four paragraphs. Let us know what you think. Thanks Gregory!
alp sendil
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Subject: Re: proposal
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he said he was busy and also said that his office hours are 10am to 12MWF.
I guess, if there are details to iron out, I'll drop in before class tomorrow.
The bait's set, so I guess worry about meeting him if he bites.
I hadn't thought of it till just now. I'll emil the group if he decides he
wants to talk. later
alp
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Subject: Re: Team 8, CS3302 (fwd)
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This just in!
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> From abowd@cedarhaven.cc.gatech.edu Tue Apr 15 21:29:35 1997
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> To: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
> Subject: Re: Team 8, CS3302
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> From: "Gregory Abowd"
>
> Sounds great!
>
> Go for it!
>
> Gregory
>
> In a recent message you wrote:
> >
> > Hi gregory,
> > I've written a few paragraphs about a project idea that our would
> > like to propose for this quarter. When you get a chance, we'd appreciate
> > getting some feed back, like "go ahead" or "no go". There's a URL
> > at the bottom, you may also want to check out. Thanks Gregory!
> > .....
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Subject: schedule, 1st draft
To: sumner@gvu.gatech.edu (Robert Walker Sumner), enda@cc.gatech.edu (Enda),
lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher), alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
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Here's what up drummed up so far. I split them up by major compnents of
our system. I'm sure there's a lot I've left off, and of course we can
organize the infor differently, but for now, I just listed stuff off. Anway,
let's beat this schedule into shape. I suppose we need to determine times
for all the tasks, but I wanted a better idea of what those tasks will be.
alp
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1. Color fractals
1.1 Learning to generate them
1.2 Writing code to generate images based on explicit parameters
1.21 Converting fractals to GIF format
1.22 Testing program
1.3 documeting material learned and generated
2. The Learning algorithm
2.1 Understanding Algorithm
2.2 Designing & coding Algorithm
2.21 Testing and beating down the alg.
2.3 Configuration management
2.4 Documentation of activities
3. Web Stuff
3.1 Page for evaluating images
3.2 Web page for displaying "pick of the hour"
3.25 Learning CGI
3.3 writing CGI script to record votes to text files
3.31 test web stuff
3.311 check different platforms
3.312 check different browswers (Netscape, Mosaic, HotJava)
3.4 Configuration management of HTML
3.5 Documentation of activities
4. Processing Votes
4.1 learning Perl?
4.2 writing script to process votes, determining winners.
4.3 feed combinations of winning parameters to generate new fractals
4.31 accessing fractal program
4.32 retrieving new GIF's for web page
4.4 config mgt.
4.5 Testing testing testing
4.6 documentation
5. Physical stuff
5.1 General meetings
5.11 admin stuff associated with meetings
5.12 re-evaluating progress and schedule
5.2 Status meetings and prep
5.3 presentations & prep (3 of them, we'll probably wing it anyway)
5.4 Obtaining LCD and other equipment
6. General stuff
6.1 reading background info on the project
6.2 ...
6.3 keeping in tune with the team
6.4 catchin' rays
6.5 hit terminal velocity and remember to pull
6.6 Don't forget to eat!
From laura@cc.gatech.edu Wed Apr 16 00:31:37 1997
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From: laura@cc.gatech.edu (Laura Lucia Burkhart)
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Subject: Re: groups
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704141935.PAA13876@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 14, 97 03:35:57 pm
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There is a directory for your group:
~www/classes/cs3302_97_spring/projects/team??
?? > team number
Check out the new link from the class web page pointing
to the groups notebook.
laura
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>
> Group8: Picasso2000 (If Gregory approves the idea)
>
> Enda Sulliavan - Architect enda@cc
> Bob Sumner - Programmer sumner@cc
> Alp Sendil - Manager alp@cc
> Lynn Bacher - Tech Writer lynn@cc
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> In article <5isclf$56f@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> you wrote:
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> : Here is a list of the groups that were made on Friday. I need to
> : know if there are any errors.
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> : If you are not on the list yet, I suggest you e-mail me to tell me
> : so that we can get you in a group.
>
> : Also, I need for only ONE of you to e-mail me once you have decided
> : what roll each one of you is responsible for (Proj Mgr, QA, Tech Writer,
> : Architect, Progrm.)
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> : laura
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> : --
> :
> : -Laura Lucia Burkhart (laura@cc.gatech.edu)
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> --
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> -Carol Lynn Bacher (lynn@cc.gatech.edu)
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From lynn Wed Apr 16 19:08:06 1997
Subject: minutes 4/16/97
To: alp@cc
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Group 8
Meeting Minutes
April 16, 1997 - room 102 CoC
4:30 PM
Attending:
Alp
Bob Sumner
Enda Sullivan
Lynn Bacher
Topics from last meeting:
- Enda did two mock-ups of the web interface. We decided that we
liked the version with the selections at the top.
- Alp received approval from Gregory regarding our project.
New business:
1. Lynn will get in touch with Laura concerning getting the permissions
set for the project web page.
2. Much discussion about the schedule.
3. Lynn was given all of the groups phone numbers to post to everyone.
4. It was decided that we meet twice a week, but no decision was made as
to when the second time would be.
5. The team name is now DNA (Dynamic Neural Art).
Things to do for next meeting:
Alp - Meet with Abowd to get resources and web space
Iron out who our customer is going to be.
Bob - Contemplate life and algorithms
Enda - Work on the web stuff
Lynn - This Friday's deliverable up and on the web.
From lynn Wed Apr 16 18:36:20 1997
Subject: Re: groups
To: laura@cc.gatech.edu (Laura Lucia Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:36:20 -0400 (EDT)
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Do we need to talk to you regarding the permissions for this directory?
Right now it is set for read only, but I need access to start moving
things over. Thanks for your help.
Lynn Bacher
Group 8
>
>
> There is a directory for your group:
>
> ~www/classes/cs3302_97_spring/projects/team??
>
> ?? > team number
>
> Check out the new link from the class web page pointing
> to the groups notebook.
>
> laura
>
>
> >
> >
> > Group8: Picasso2000 (If Gregory approves the idea)
> >
> > Enda Sulliavan - Architect enda@cc
> > Bob Sumner - Programmer sumner@cc
> > Alp Sendil - Manager alp@cc
> > Lynn Bacher - Tech Writer lynn@cc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <5isclf$56f@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > : Here is a list of the groups that were made on Friday. I need to
> > : know if there are any errors.
> >
> > : If you are not on the list yet, I suggest you e-mail me to tell me
> > : so that we can get you in a group.
> >
> > : Also, I need for only ONE of you to e-mail me once you have decided
> > : what roll each one of you is responsible for (Proj Mgr, QA, Tech Writer,
> > : Architect, Progrm.)
> >
> > : laura
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > : --
> > :
> > : -Laura Lucia Burkhart (laura@cc.gatech.edu)
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Carol Lynn Bacher (lynn@cc.gatech.edu)
> >
>
>
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From: laura@cc.gatech.edu (Laura Lucia Burkhart)
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Subject: Re: groups
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704162236.SAA12862@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 16, 97 06:36:20 pm
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>
> Do we need to talk to you regarding the permissions for this directory?
> Right now it is set for read only, but I need access to start moving
things over. Thanks for your help.
you should now have access to your directory.
laura
>
> Lynn Bacher
> Group 8
>
> >
> >
> > There is a directory for your group:
> >
> > ~www/classes/cs3302_97_spring/projects/team??
> >
> > ?? > team number
> >
> > Check out the new link from the class web page pointing
> > to the groups notebook.
> >
> > laura
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Group8: Picasso2000 (If Gregory approves the idea)
> > >
> > > Enda Sulliavan - Architect enda@cc
> > > Bob Sumner - Programmer sumner@cc
> > > Alp Sendil - Manager alp@cc
> > > Lynn Bacher - Tech Writer lynn@cc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <5isclf$56f@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > : Here is a list of the groups that were made on Friday. I need to
> > > : know if there are any errors.
> > >
> > > : If you are not on the list yet, I suggest you e-mail me to tell me
> > > : so that we can get you in a group.
> > >
> > > : Also, I need for only ONE of you to e-mail me once you have decided
> > > : what roll each one of you is responsible for (Proj Mgr, QA, Tech Writer,
> > > : Architect, Progrm.)
> > >
> > > : laura
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > : --
> > > :
> > > : -Laura Lucia Burkhart (laura@cc.gatech.edu)
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Carol Lynn Bacher (lynn@cc.gatech.edu)
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
From enda@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 01:38:36 1997
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From: enda@cc.gatech.edu (Enda)
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Subject: Re: It's a start
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704170343.XAA08149@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 16, 97 11:43:06 pm
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C. Lynn Bacher said . . .
=>
=> It's only a start, but I have the basic (I mean only the basics) up on
=> the class pages. Check out the animated .gif and the background. Feel
=> free to pitch in any comments on how things should look.
=>
=> I'll be in the Baird cluster most of tomorrow putting things together.
=>
=> Later,
Looks good. No objections so far :)
bye
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
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Subject: stuff
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Hey,
i am only sending this to you cause your probably the only one who cares...
I moved the demo to the web space...greg had said that it was better
to not have it on one persons account...so for that reason...its up
there now.
I added one or 2 things...specifically I added a logo as the default
screen when you haven't clicked on the pictures...I know it looks
like shit...I am working on it...somehow my picture picked up tones of
"noise" and so it has this interesting stuff behind it.
Other than that, i think I have fixed the buttons not showing up
problem, but I will try it on the big screen TV before Friday to
make sure.
If you want to make a link to the demo page, all you have to do is
link to 'demo', in there is a index.html which is the start of the
whole frames mess :)
In the process, I think I grabbed ownership of the notebook.html file
my mistake, I copied over the one Alp had played with during the meeting
and it overwrote yours...however I had made a backup of yours...so
when I put yours back...I somehow gained the ownership...feel free
to copy it to another file name...then delete it and copy the other file
over...which will change ownership back to you. This prevents us
from having to leave it as world writeable as it currently is.
I will be around tomorrow...so if I screwed something up you can
yell at me.
talk to you later.
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Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
From enda@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 13:10:53 1997
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From: enda@cc.gatech.edu (Enda)
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Subject: Re: permissions
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:10:47 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704171546.LAA08507@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 17, 97 11:46:55 am
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C. Lynn Bacher said . . .
=>
=> Could you check the permissions that you left on notebook.html because I
=> can't overwrite it. Worst case scenario just delete it, I have the
=> original here. Check out the schedule periodically and let me know if
=> you have changes.
=>
OK...I fixed it...I also ran into Laura on route back from
lunch...she said they are working with CNS about group permissions
and should have that up for everyone soon.
I got the impression that she planed to announce something Friday.
So it seems like thats under control.
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
From enda@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 17:14:08 1997
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Subject: 3302 prj stuff
To: sumner@cc.gatech.edu (Robert Walker Sumner)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey bob...
How is picking your butt coming? :)
Anyway...
Couple of things...With regards to the thumbnails that we have
for the demo page, I am quickly relizing that they are too big
to deal with. On 800x600, I have run into a physical difficulty
with getting them onto the screen.
The simple truth is that they can't all fit. So I see 2 solutions:
1. Have less to choose from. So instead of having 9, we could
do it with 7, thus we would have a row of 4 and a row of 3.
2. We just have more narrow pictures. My guess is that if they
were square by the dimensions you gave me this time, it would
fit, but I don't know that for a fact.
This is not an immediate thing...we can certinally talk more about
this later...but just so you are thinking about that while picking :)
The other thing to consider is that you will most likely have to
produce 2 versions of the same fractal each time. One which is the
thumbnail size, and the other which is the full [frame size] one.
So let me know what you think...whatever is easier...
Bye
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A: Anyone can roast beef.
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Can you arrange it so that you scroll down to see all the images.
Maybe you can see four or five and scroll down to see the rest.
We can try with fewer images. The deciding factor is whether the
learning works well. I can't really predict ahead of time. We could
go with 7 images now, knowing we might want to increase the number in
the future.
Or, like you said, make them smaller.
-Bob
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: Updates to schedule
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey lynn-
The schedule looks great. The only thing that pops into my mind
is the subject headings could use a little more space. Is that Possible?
Just something that caught my eye. Anyway, Do you need help writin gthe
project plan? I noticed Team 7 had a pretty good project plan together.
I figure we could just take the template they used and copy our description
over it. That reminds me, could you send me a copy of that description?
Thanks! gotta jet.
later
alp
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)y
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:15:17 -0400 (EDT)
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hey that sounds great! I put together a status report, more to get it done
than to use it for anything useful. Anyway, I wrote the tasks based on what
we had on the web. If you think it needs to be updated, go for it. It don't
know if you noticed, but I think it was team 7 that had a link to all of their
projected status reports. Maybe we should do something like that too.
Status report in html below:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Status report week 1
Weekly Status Report
Name: Team 8
Date: April 17, 1997
Project Name: Dynamic Neural Art (DNA)
Project Manager: Alp Sendil
Progress this week:
First meeting: Hashed out the look and feel of our project.
Proposed project and received ok.
Two demo web pages and nine fractals created.
Second meeting: Carved out schedule and determined tasks for everyone.
Project plan and schedule on notebook web page.
Goals for next week:
Bob: research color fractal algorithms, determine parameters, start
coding.
Enda: design evaluation web page, agree on fractal parameters, start learning
CGI.
Lynn: help design evaluation web page, start creating tests as apropriate,
usual web master stuff.
Alp: Understand what Bob is doing, agree on algorithm, help with fractal
coding, usual manager stuff.
Problems/Comments:
We're all pretty excited about this project. It should be pretty doable.
Just a few logistical hurdles.
From alp@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 21:42:16 1997
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:42:12 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704180120.VAA23580@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 17, 97 09:20:41 pm
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Thanks
I've almost finished the status report. Do you know if we're supposed to
put that on the web too?
alp
From lynn Thu Apr 17 22:04:31 1997
Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)y
To: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
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Send it to me and I'll put it there if you want. I also spoke with Jen
who heads up Domisilica. She thought the idea was great! She definitely
wants to incorporate us into things. So I mentioned it to Gregory (this
all took place at the Hackfest) and he said if we did that, we could just
add it into the next phase, requirements. I tell you more about it
tomorrow, but I'm going to list Domisilica as one of our "clients".
Lynn
>
>
> Thanks
>
> I've almost finished the status report. Do you know if we're supposed to
> put that on the web too?
>
> alp
>
From lynn Thu Apr 17 21:20:40 1997
Subject: proposal (fwd)
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Okay here is the original that you sent me. I'll have this same copy on
the web momentarily. I'm finishing the table schedule now. You
can always page me if you need to. The number is 899-2253.
Lynn
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message: > >
> We like cool images. Cool images are useful. By cool, we mean something
> that is asthetic, pleasing to look at, or causes a person to say,"wow,
> cool picture dude!" They can be soothing paintings on your living room
> wall or interesting backgrounds on your computer screen. We want to create
> a program that can learn what a cool image is, and then create them. This
> relates to the Domisilica projects. Genetic Art, as we call it, may be
> displayed on your refrigerator, or on an LCD in your living room; just add
> a frame to go around the screen. The picture would periodically update
> its self, creating new cool images.
>
> The criteria used to evaluate "cool" would come from an application that
> we place on the World Wide Web. Our program on the web would display nine
> images, asking the user to select their top choices. Periodically, the
> 'votes' would be counted up and the 'coolest' image would be selected for
> your viewing pleasure. The exact generation process is yet to be determined,
> but here is an example:
>
> The top three images are kept in the evaluation pool, and the other six
> images are replaced by new pictures created from parameters similar to those
> of the top three. Eventually the program will learn to produce cool
> pictures, and by placing them on your living room wall (or kitchen) you will
> enjoy the comforts of you modern domocile that much more.
>
> We decided to use fractals for our cool images. The project will require
> some knowledge of CGI, perl, and HTML for the evaluating the criteria and
> also requires C to construct the fractals. We considered using Java, but
> since the pictures take some time to generate (a minute or two) we decided
> that C would be the best developing tool for the job. The images will be
> created and saved to GIF format, then transferred to the web server, where
> they may be judged. The update will occur periodically (once every hour).
>
> We still have to research the generation algorithms, as well as those for the
> fractals, but they all exist. We have a mock web page up on
> www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt8077b, so please check it out. Chris Atkinson seemed
> to like the idea, and even suggested special viewing glasses so that everyone
> could see a different wallpaper in the same living room, generated by an
> algorithm based on their particular tastes. We dicussed how this project
> could have a future not only as an added feature of Domosilica, also used
> in marketing schemes to generate images based on social profiles. Those are
> just thoughts and in the mean time, we'd like to tackle the problem described
> in the first four paragraphs. Let us know what you think. Thanks Gregory!
>
> alp sendil
>
>
From lynn Thu Apr 17 14:03:21 1997
Subject: 3302 - Group8 permissions
To: laura@cc.gatech.edu (Laura Lucia Burkhart)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704170204.WAA27642@lennon.cc.gatech.edu> from "Laura Lucia Burkhart" at Apr 16, 97 10:04:35 pm
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Hey Laura,
Sorry to bug you again, but I'm trying to write to the group8 directory
and it keeps telling me permission denied. I can write to the files I
have there but I can't add anything new. Fun, fun, fun....
Lynn
From lynn Thu Apr 17 11:49:40 1997
Subject: Updates to schedule
To: alp@cc
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm putting the schedule stuff up on the class page as I complete
sections. If you could keep checking in and looking over the content, I
would most appreciate it. :)
Lynn
From lynn Thu Apr 17 11:46:54 1997
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Could you check the permissions that you left on notebook.html because I
can't overwrite it. Worst case scenario just delete it, I have the
original here. Check out the schedule periodically and let me know if
you have changes.
Lynn
From lynn Wed Apr 16 23:43:06 1997
Subject: It's a start
To: alp@cc
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
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It's only a start, but I have the basic (I mean only the basics) up on
the class pages. Check out the animated .gif and the background. Feel
free to pitch in any comments on how things should look.
I'll be in the Baird cluster most of tomorrow putting things together.
Later,
Lynn
From lynn Wed Apr 16 19:30:00 1997
Subject: .gif stuff
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Nevermind, I got the .gifs
Lynn
From lynn Wed Apr 16 19:25:51 1997
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Could you copy the animated .gif stuff to my directory? It's at
~lynn/3302/notebook/
I can just link to your page on your account for the mockup if that is
easier. Let me know.
Lynn
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