DNA
Dynamic Neural Art
Week 4 - Group Correspondence
From enda@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 13:10:53 1997
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From: enda@cc.gatech.edu (Enda)
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Subject: Re: permissions
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:10:47 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <199704171546.LAA08507@felix.cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 17, 97 11:46:55 am
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C. Lynn Bacher said . . .
=>
=> Could you check the permissions that you left on notebook.html because I
=> can't overwrite it. Worst case scenario just delete it, I have the
=> original here. Check out the schedule periodically and let me know if
=> you have changes.
=>
OK...I fixed it...I also ran into Laura on route back from
lunch...she said they are working with CNS about group permissions
and should have that up for everyone soon.
I got the impression that she planed to announce something Friday.
So it seems like thats under control.
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
From enda@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 17:14:08 1997
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From: enda@cc.gatech.edu (Enda)
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Subject: 3302 prj stuff
To: sumner@cc.gatech.edu (Robert Walker Sumner)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:14:03 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey bob...
How is picking your butt coming? :)
Anyway...
Couple of things...With regards to the thumbnails that we have
for the demo page, I am quickly relizing that they are too big
to deal with. On 800x600, I have run into a physical difficulty
with getting them onto the screen.
The simple truth is that they can't all fit. So I see 2 solutions:
1. Have less to choose from. So instead of having 9, we could
do it with 7, thus we would have a row of 4 and a row of 3.
2. We just have more narrow pictures. My guess is that if they
were square by the dimensions you gave me this time, it would
fit, but I don't know that for a fact.
This is not an immediate thing...we can certinally talk more about
this later...but just so you are thinking about that while picking :)
The other thing to consider is that you will most likely have to
produce 2 versions of the same fractal each time. One which is the
thumbnail size, and the other which is the full [frame size] one.
So let me know what you think...whatever is easier...
Bye
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
From sumner@gvu.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 18:16:14 1997
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"3302 prj stuff" (Apr 17, 5:14pm)
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Can you arrange it so that you scroll down to see all the images.
Maybe you can see four or five and scroll down to see the rest.
We can try with fewer images. The deciding factor is whether the
learning works well. I can't really predict ahead of time. We could
go with 7 images now, knowing we might want to increase the number in
the future.
Or, like you said, make them smaller.
-Bob
From alp@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 20:48:20 1997
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: Updates to schedule
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:48:16 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey lynn-
The schedule looks great. The only thing that pops into my mind
is the subject headings could use a little more space. Is that Possible?
Just something that caught my eye. Anyway, Do you need help writin gthe
project plan? I noticed Team 7 had a pretty good project plan together.
I figure we could just take the template they used and copy our description
over it. That reminds me, could you send me a copy of that description?
Thanks! gotta jet.
later
alp
From alp@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 22:15:22 1997
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)y
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:15:17 -0400 (EDT)
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hey that sounds great! I put together a status report, more to get it done
than to use it for anything useful. Anyway, I wrote the tasks based on what
we had on the web. If you think it needs to be updated, go for it. It don't
know if you noticed, but I think it was team 7 that had a link to all of their
projected status reports. Maybe we should do something like that too.
Status report in html below:
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Status report week 1
Weekly Status Report
Name: Team 8
Date: April 17, 1997
Project Name: Dynamic Neural Art (DNA)
Project Manager: Alp Sendil
Progress this week:
First meeting: Hashed out the look and feel of our project.
Proposed project and received ok.
Two demo web pages and nine fractals created.
Second meeting: Carved out schedule and determined tasks for everyone.
Project plan and schedule on notebook web page.
Goals for next week:
Bob: research color fractal algorithms, determine parameters, start
coding.
Enda: design evaluation web page, agree on fractal parameters, start learning
CGI.
Lynn: help design evaluation web page, start creating tests as apropriate,
usual web master stuff.
Alp: Understand what Bob is doing, agree on algorithm, help with fractal
coding, usual manager stuff.
Problems/Comments:
We're all pretty excited about this project. It should be pretty doable.
Just a few logistical hurdles.
From alp@cc.gatech.edu Thu Apr 17 21:42:16 1997
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Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:42:12 -0400 (EDT)
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Thanks
I've almost finished the status report. Do you know if we're supposed to
put that on the web too?
alp
From lynn Thu Apr 17 22:04:31 1997
Subject: Re: proposal (fwd)y
To: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:04:31 -0400 (EDT)
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Send it to me and I'll put it there if you want. I also spoke with Jen
who heads up Domisilica. She thought the idea was great! She definitely
wants to incorporate us into things. So I mentioned it to Gregory (this
all took place at the Hackfest) and he said if we did that, we could just
add it into the next phase, requirements. I tell you more about it
tomorrow, but I'm going to list Domisilica as one of our "clients".
Lynn
>
>
> Thanks
>
> I've almost finished the status report. Do you know if we're supposed to
> put that on the web too?
>
> alp
>
From lynn Thu Apr 17 21:20:40 1997
Subject: proposal (fwd)
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Okay here is the original that you sent me. I'll have this same copy on
the web momentarily. I'm finishing the table schedule now. You
can always page me if you need to. The number is 899-2253.
Lynn
Forwarded
message: > >
> We like cool images. Cool images are useful. By cool, we mean something
> that is asthetic, pleasing to look at, or causes a person to say,"wow,
> cool picture dude!" They can be soothing paintings on your living room
> wall or interesting backgrounds on your computer screen. We want to create
> a program that can learn what a cool image is, and then create them. This
> relates to the Domisilica projects. Genetic Art, as we call it, may be
> displayed on your refrigerator, or on an LCD in your living room; just add
> a frame to go around the screen. The picture would periodically update
> its self, creating new cool images.
>
> The criteria used to evaluate "cool" would come from an application that
> we place on the World Wide Web. Our program on the web would display nine
> images, asking the user to select their top choices. Periodically, the
> 'votes' would be counted up and the 'coolest' image would be selected for
> your viewing pleasure. The exact generation process is yet to be determined,
> but here is an example:
>
> The top three images are kept in the evaluation pool, and the other six
> images are replaced by new pictures created from parameters similar to those
> of the top three. Eventually the program will learn to produce cool
> pictures, and by placing them on your living room wall (or kitchen) you will
> enjoy the comforts of you modern domocile that much more.
>
> We decided to use fractals for our cool images. The project will require
> some knowledge of CGI, perl, and HTML for the evaluating the criteria and
> also requires C to construct the fractals. We considered using Java, but
> since the pictures take some time to generate (a minute or two) we decided
> that C would be the best developing tool for the job. The images will be
> created and saved to GIF format, then transferred to the web server, where
> they may be judged. The update will occur periodically (once every hour).
>
> We still have to research the generation algorithms, as well as those for the
> fractals, but they all exist. We have a mock web page up on
> www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt8077b, so please check it out. Chris Atkinson seemed
> to like the idea, and even suggested special viewing glasses so that everyone
> could see a different wallpaper in the same living room, generated by an
> algorithm based on their particular tastes. We dicussed how this project
> could have a future not only as an added feature of Domosilica, also used
> in marketing schemes to generate images based on social profiles. Those are
> just thoughts and in the mean time, we'd like to tackle the problem described
> in the first four paragraphs. Let us know what you think. Thanks Gregory!
>
> alp sendil
>
>
From lynn Thu Apr 17 14:03:21 1997
Subject: 3302 - Group8 permissions
To: laura@cc.gatech.edu (Laura Lucia Burkhart)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey Laura,
Sorry to bug you again, but I'm trying to write to the group8 directory
and it keeps telling me permission denied. I can write to the files I
have there but I can't add anything new. Fun, fun, fun....
Lynn
From lynn Thu Apr 17 11:49:40 1997
Subject: Updates to schedule
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I'm putting the schedule stuff up on the class page as I complete
sections. If you could keep checking in and looking over the content, I
would most appreciate it. :)
Lynn
From jmankoff@cc.gatech.edu Fri Apr 18 13:36:23 1997
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From: Jen Mankoff
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Subject: time to meet up and set up the domisilica version of your project
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Email me a good afternoon time for this :)
-jen
From lynn Fri Apr 18 13:50:09 1997
Subject: Re: time to meet up and set up the domisilica version of your project
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I'll be around the Baird cluster this weekend Tues night 5-7:30 and on
Thursday from 5 -11. Alp Senkil, alp@cc, is the manager of our project and
needs to be in on part of this too. I'm pretty flexible so , either stop by or
let me know when.
Talk at you soon!
Lynn
>
> Email me a good afternoon time for this :)
>
> -jen
>
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Subject: Re: time to meet up and set up the domisilica version of your project
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:20:40 -0400 (EDT)
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Oh by the way, it's alp sendil. :)
>
> I'll be around the Baird cluster this weekend Tues night 5-7:30 and on
> Thursday from 5 -11. Alp Senkil, alp@cc, is the manager of our project and
> needs to be in on part of this too. I'm pretty flexible so , either stop by or
> let me know when.
>
> Talk at you soon!
>
> Lynn
>
> >
> > Email me a good afternoon time for this :)
> >
> > -jen
> >
>
>
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It's (sorta) in the mud... check out the web interface. in 20 minutes
or so (I've got a little debugging left to do)
-jen
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So I've finished the "sit under trees and think of what to do"
part. I think I've stumbled upon something that is both really cool
and not too hard. I decided how to make the pictures -- which was
the part that was worrying me. I'm really excited about this idea.
It turns out that all those different types of fractals that I was
looking at are represented by different equations. For example,
Mandelbrot looks like "z(n+1) = z(n)^2 + c". This fractal program
called fractint allows you to specify arbitrary functions. It
draws a fractal based on the function you specify. So, what we can
do is evolve fractal functions. We'll be evolving some string of
characters that is a function. For each step, we send the string
to the fractal program and it will draw a picture. Then, we evolve
new strings and send them to make more pictures. When we next meet,
I'll explain better and show everyone the program.
Good things about this are:
- I think we'll get cool results from learning
- We don't have to worry about writing code to make fractals --
the fractal program does it for us **in color**
I think this approach will work very well. So, task 1.1 is complete.
I've started task 1.2, which is writing the code. To represent
the equation, we should use a tree structure that can be traversed to
form the string. I decided to use C++. I've written some of the classes
we'll need.
Alp, I thought about stopping and talking to you and seeing if you want
to write all of the part. But I went ahead and started because the
data structure used to represent the equations needs to be written
a certain way so that it can be used in the learning algorithm. Since
I'm doing the learning stuff and know what I need, it just seemed easier
for me to go ahead and write it like I need.
As for time accounting:
on April 17 I spent 2 hours on task 1.1
on April 19 I spent 2.5 hours on task 1.1
on April 19 I spent 2.5 hours on task 1.2
I think I'm going to quit for the day and work on other things.
So, what do you think of this idea? Is it okay with everyone to go
ahead? I think you will all like it when you see it working. I'm
happy because I was worried that I woudn'd think of anything that works
very well.
-Bob
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Subject: Re: Update -- good news
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Bob-
This sounds great! I have a few questions just to clarify somethings.
Did you say you had a fracint program? Where did you get this and how
fast will it run?
I think you should run with the code and create as long as you make sure with
Enda that all the peices will fit together in the end. The only thing that
I can think of needing synchronization are Enda's output must be compatible
with your input parameters. comments?
Something I thought of earlier was that another parameter we should be able
to play with is colorschems. Yes many of the fractals will look cool, but
would it be conceivable that our learning algorithm would pick up on what
colors go well together? I don't know if this will complicate the situation
with trying to break up the fractal equation into major chunks. Just a
thought.
Also, I was playing around and found some other cool stuff on the net.
CMU had an interactive art site, among which were genetic videos.
here's the URL: http://robocop.modmath.cs.cmu.edu:8001/
Another one, just cool computer art was this scientist/software engineer:
http://www.seas.gwu.edu/faculty/musgrave/
Anyway, if you would like me to help you code part of an algorithm by coming up
with some search routine or something, let me know. However-
if your creative juices are flowing, go crazy and create. Just make sure to
communicate, especially with Enda.
See you all in class.
alp
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I've been ignoring the color problem. But you're right, it's something
we need to think about. Do you want to be in charge of color? Fractint
(the fractal program we're using) has some color scheme format. So, you'd
have to learn how the color part of the program works and think of some
way to genertate the color scheme files. And think of a way to combine
different files together. I think you and I have a meeting on the schedule
(one of the tasks) so do you want to talk about it then?
-Bob
>
> Something I thought of earlier was that another parameter we should be able
> to play with is colorschems. Yes many of the fractals will look cool, but
> would it be conceivable that our learning algorithm would pick up on what
> colors go well together? I don't know if this will complicate the situation
> with trying to break up the fractal equation into major chunks. Just a
> thought.
>
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Yes, I'm using a program called "xfractint". It's the x-windows version
of a program called fractint. I forgot where I ftped it, but search for
"fractint" on yahoo if you want to find it.
I've compiled it on SGI's (which is my platform of choice). It's
quite fast. Plus, if we do use nighthawk, we can use several processors.
So, if we need to make 9 images, we can spawn 9 fractint processes all
at the same time.
The fractal stuff is in "/net/hg42/sumner/fractals/xfractint"
The executable "/net/hg42/sumner/fractals/xfractint/xfractint" runs on
SGI's. The file "/net/hg42/sumner/fractals/xfractint/xfract302_SHAR"
is a shar file with all the source. So, if you want to run the program
on some other unix platform, copy the file, type "sh xfract302_SHAR" and
then try compile it.
Oh, I've printed out the documentation for the program. It's pretty big.
If you'd like to see it, ask me and I'll give you the printout. Or, a
postscript file of it is "/net/hg42/sumner/fractals/xfractint/fractint.doc.ps"
and a text file is "/net/hg42/sumner/fractals/xfractint/fractint.doc".
-Bob
>
> Did you say you had a fracint program? Where did you get this and how
> fast will it run?
>
> I think you should run with the code and create as long as you make sure with
> Enda that all the peices will fit together in the end. The only thing that
> I can think of needing synchronization are Enda's output must be compatible
> with your input parameters. comments?
>
> Something I thought of earlier was that another parameter we should be able
> to play with is colorschems. Yes many of the fractals will look cool, but
> would it be conceivable that our learning algorithm would pick up on what
> colors go well together? I don't know if this will complicate the situation
> with trying to break up the fractal equation into major chunks. Just a
> thought.
>
> Also, I was playing around and found some other cool stuff on the net.
> CMU had an interactive art site, among which were genetic videos.
> here's the URL: http://robocop.modmath.cs.cmu.edu:8001/
>
> Another one, just cool computer art was this scientist/software engineer:
> http://www.seas.gwu.edu/faculty/musgrave/
>
> Anyway, if you would like me to help you code part of an algorithm by coming
up
> with some search routine or something, let me know. However-
> if your creative juices are flowing, go crazy and create. Just make sure to
> communicate, especially with Enda.
>
> See you all in class.
>
> alp
>-- End of excerpt from alp
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Hey gregory-
Just thought I would verify this with you, but we chatted quickly after class
on Friday. our team needed to do some CGI scripting and some computing
power for generating fractals. You had suggested a member of our team get
an account on the internal web server for the CGI stuff. As for the
computing power, one of our team members has access to the GVU machines, so
I think that will fix that. Just wanted to make sure this sounds ok with
you. Thanks Gregory
alp
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I was looking over the req. Doc. and It's pretty straight forward,
and should be really easy if we start early. Anyway, here are some
of my suggestions on getting this thing done. It's due next monday,
if I'm not mistaken.
Project description- Lynn or I could edit the orignal project description.
Scenario Description- I think three of us could each come up with a different
scenario. Bob or Enda- I guess one of you could opt
not to do it, whoever feels like they need more time.
storyboarding- Lynn, I think descriptions of our meeting and use of the dry erase board would be an example of storyboarding
experience. The other would be the demo pages Enda
setup.
Functional reqs- Maybe we can carve these out at our next meeting?
I have to think about this one.
Non-functional reqs- Is hardware nonfunctional? I can't think of anything
else. Maybe a web browser and appreciation for cool
pictures. comments?
dev. & target platforms-I think we're going to develope in UNIX, mostly? I
guess the target platform will be a web browser and
an LCD linked to our pic or the hour. comments?
Risk analysis- I think we can each come up with a risk directly
related to the main role we're facilitating. (ie. Bob
thinks of a programming risk).
Oh yeah, and I had an idea for another client. the director of under-the-
couch is a good friend of mine, and we were talking about UTC, and here's
where the train of conversation went. UTC is like a coffee shop/small events
venue/general hang out facility. I was thinking, how cool would it be to have
a screen set up in coffee shop, with cool fractals, periodically changing,
while you hang out with your friends over heavily cafeinated drinks? They
have their own web server, within the tech domain- I don't know the details.
But just thought a cool application? Hey- there's one scenario. I tell you
guys (enda and Bob), if neither of you want to write another scenario, I'll
come up with another one.
anyway, ramblin' on.
later
alp
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I was looking over the req. Doc. and It's pretty straight forward,
and should be really easy if we start early. Anyway, here are some
of my suggestions on getting this thing done. It's due next monday,
if I'm not mistaken.
Project description- Lynn or I could edit the orignal project description.
Scenario Description- I think three of us could each come up with a different
scenario. Bob or Enda- I guess one of you could opt
not to do it, whoever feels like they need more time.
storyboarding- Lynn, I think descriptions of our meeting and use of the dry erase board would be an example of storyboarding
experience. The other would be the demo pages Enda
setup.
Functional reqs- Maybe we can carve these out at our next meeting?
I have to think about this one.
Non-functional reqs- Is hardware nonfunctional? I can't think of anything
else. Maybe a web browser and appreciation for cool
pictures. comments?
dev. & target platforms-I think we're going to develope in UNIX, mostly? I
guess the target platform will be a web browser and
an LCD linked to our pic or the hour. comments?
Risk analysis- I think we can each come up with a risk directly
related to the main role we're facilitating. (ie. Bob
thinks of a programming risk).
Oh yeah, and I had an idea for another client. the director of under-the-
couch is a good friend of mine, and we were talking about UTC, and here's
where the train of conversation went. UTC is like a coffee shop/small events
venue/general hang out facility. I was thinking, how cool would it be to have
a screen set up in coffee shop, with cool fractals, periodically changing,
while you hang out with your friends over heavily cafeinated drinks? They
have their own web server, within the tech domain- I don't know the details.
But just thought a cool application? Hey- there's one scenario. I tell you
guys (enda and Bob), if neither of you want to write another scenario, I'll
come up with another one.
anyway, ramblin' on.
later
alp
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: Okey dokey
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:53:41 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey the notebook looks awesome! Great job. Thanks lynn
alp
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Subject: Re: 3302 - Group8 permissions
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT)
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Ok, try now. For some reason the permissions are being changed. I
have had 3 group have no problem editing notebook.html, but then
other groups can't. hmmmm.
laura
>
> Hey Laura,
>
> Sorry to bug you again, but I'm trying to write to the group8 directory
> and it keeps telling me permission denied. I can write to the files I
> have there but I can't add anything new. Fun, fun, fun....
>
> Lynn
>
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Hey,
The internal server is currently out of space. They have ordered
a new disk drive and its expected to arrive today. However
it will be a few [possible as much as 3-4 days] until it gets
installed.
While I am on hold with actually writing the code, I can learn
CGI in the mean time, as I obtained a cgi book from CNS today.
Bye
--
Q: What's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: Anyone can roast beef.
From lynn Mon Apr 21 13:41:44 1997
Subject: Plasma screen
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FYI
I spoke with Gregory after class about the plasma screen they are
installing on the CyberFrig on Thursday at the Hackfest. I mentioned
"borrowing" it for our project, he said that could be arranged.
It is just a 640 x 480 VGA screen and they are going to put a
frame around it :) But we can hook it up to a machine with a browser, I'm
sure.
Later,
Lynn
From lynn Mon Apr 21 13:46:26 1997
Subject: We're hanging!
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT)
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Hey guys,
Jen has added us to the Domisilica wall. The mockup is hanging there
next to the CyberFrig. Check it out at the following site:
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/fce/domisilica
Enda, if I found a .gif of a little picture frame would it be possible to
use that as a border to the animated .gif?
Lynn
From lynn Mon Apr 21 13:50:17 1997
Subject: Re: your group's picture
To: jmankoff@cc.gatech.edu (Jen Mankoff)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:50:17 -0400 (EDT)
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I just saw it! It so cute :) I'm going to get a "picture frame"
eventually. I hear you're getting your plasma screen installed on the
CyberFrig this week. Fun, fun, can't wait. I'm in the Baird/NT cluster
if you are around today. I'll probably only leave for coffee now and again.
Lynn
> It's (sorta) in the mud... check out the web interface. in 20 minutes
> or so (I've got a little debugging left to do)
>
> -jen
From lynn Mon Apr 21 14:52:06 1997
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Frame for the animated .gif
http://www.ventana.net/frames_by_az/waycool.html
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Hey Enda,
Do you still have a copy of the first prototype that you made with the
frames on either side. If so put a copy in my graphics directory and
let
me know.
Thanks,
Lynn
PS It's for the storyboard section
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So Bob and I talked some, and we've finished what's
listed on the schedule as 1.11. I will start working on the code to handle
the color schemes and Bob will work on the main fractal composing and
decomposing algorithms. I think it would be easier to illustrate the
approach in five minutes on a dry erase board than it would be to try to
explain over email, so I think we should save the details till then.
Bob and Enda should talk, but I think for the most part, the transition
of information from one component to another should be pretty straight forward.
oh yeah, and It occurred to me, and maybe bob should clarify- but I think
the division between the color fractals and the learning algorithm on the
schedule is not exactly clear. I would say for the most part, we have a
functional fractal generator. What we're working on now is the learning
algorithm. Bob, as far as the schedule goes, would you agree?
I was looking at the schedule , and I have a feeling we may need more time
for our testing/integration. The fact that we're ahead of schedule, (i think)(
will be helpful.
My thoughts are not the most coherent now, so I'll quit while I'm ahead.
when exactly do we want to meet on wednesday? I can meet anytime after
class (3302). well, later guys
alp
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Enda,
can you check the permissions on try1.zip. Seems to be read only.
Lynn :)
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alp wrote:
>
> So Bob and I talked some, and we've finished what's
> listed on the schedule as 1.11. I will start working on the code to handle
> the color schemes and Bob will work on the main fractal composing and
> decomposing algorithms. I think it would be easier to illustrate the
> approach in five minutes on a dry erase board than it would be to try to
> explain over email, so I think we should save the details till then.
Well, it looks like we need to revise the schedule some. Incorporate
this be split up between the two of you. We can add in the new testing
numbers also.
>
> Bob and Enda should talk, but I think for the most part, the transition
> of information from one component to another should be pretty straight forward.
>
I've marked that as started. Hopefully they will talk soon.
> oh yeah, and It occurred to me, and maybe bob should clarify- but I think
> the division between the color fractals and the learning algorithm on the
> schedule is not exactly clear. I would say for the most part, we have a
> functional fractal generator. What we're working on now is the learning
> algorithm. Bob, as far as the schedule goes, would you agree?
Let me know if you have met the exit conditions for the fractal
generator, i.e. have you been able to generate images yet? So you have
started thinking about the learning algorithm?
>
> I was looking at the schedule , and I have a feeling we may need more time
> for our testing/integration. The fact that we're ahead of schedule, (i think)(
> will be helpful.
Can we iron that out on Wednesday?
>
> My thoughts are not the most coherent now, so I'll quit while I'm ahead.
> when exactly do we want to meet on wednesday? I can meet anytime after
> class (3302). well, later guys
I'm free after class, but Enda has a class to go to. Maybe you and I
can fix these schedule problems after class and then meet back at 4:30
to discuss the interfacing? Just a suggestion.
Other things, I'm working away on the requirements document. What I
have is on the web (with a very big ROUGH DRAFT across it :) ). Let me
know you comments, revisions, suggestions, etc.... I need to get some
things scanned. Anyone have access to a scanner?
Lynn
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Enda,
can you check the permissions on try1.zip. Seems to be read only.
Lynn :)
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Yeah, meeting after class might be ok. the only problem to that
is that I'm always so hungry by the time we have class, but we
shouldn't meet for that long anyway.
About the scanner, there's two at the library.
As for generating fractals, we can genrate them, so technically
that part is done, but integrating that with our learning algorithm
will be the tough part. So I don't know if that part is complete, or
if we should say it is and create a new step called integrate
fractals with learning algorithm?
ok gotta, jet
later
alp
ps Have you seen hunt for Red October lately. The sonar guy has
your glasses.
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Here's the word from Abowd about cgi access and computing power.
I think Enda has taken care of his end of the bargain with CGI stuff, anyway.
Forwarded message:
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> To: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
> Subject: Re: team 8- DNA
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> From: "Gregory Abowd"
>
> This all sounds OK with me, but you might want to pass it by
> Bryan Rank in CNS (help@cc) to make sure things are cool with
> the cgi access.
>
> G.
>
> In a recent message you wrote:
> >
> > Hey gregory-
> >
> > Just thought I would verify this with you, but we chatted quickly after class
> > on Friday. our team needed to do some CGI scripting and some computing
> > power for generating fractals. You had suggested a member of our team get
> > an account on the internal web server for the CGI stuff. As for the
> > computing power, one of our team members has access to the GVU machines, so
> > I think that will fix that. Just wanted to make sure this sounds ok with
> > you. Thanks Gregory
> >
> > alp
>
>
>
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Hey,
This is most likely going to be long and drawn out, Its not intended
for light reading, more to catch everyone up on what we discussed,
also to formalize what we discussed and get it down on paper so there
is something real out of our sitting in a room for 2 hours :)
So, one of the major themes that we had at the meeting was to formalize
the exact execution of our program, we basically started to talk about
our respective parts, and then slowly came to an agreement on how they
would fit together. The first thing I will outline is exactly what
will happen when a typical user clicks on our web page. This is
almost something which can be pasted into the requirements doc.
1. Our web page is located on the rossem.cc.gatech.edu [www-int.cc.gatech.edu].
Which means that only users local to College of Computing may use it,
when a user comes up to the page, they will see 9 fractals at the top
of the page. Clicking on one of the fractals, will enlarge it to the
full size of one frame. This is achieved by displaying a file which will
be called 4l.gif [where the l stands for large, and the 4 indicates the
picture number]. The pictures will be numbered from 0 [because they
will eventually end up in a C++ array which is indexed from 0.
The pictures at the top of the page [the 9 thumbnails] will be called
4s.gif [where s stands for small and 4 again is the same number as
used for the large picture].
Below each picture is the ability to rate it as first, second, or third
choice. The user may submit only 3 choices, and in theory they could
pick the same picture as all 3 choices. [ie they might really really
like picture 5, in which case they can rate it as first, second and
third choice].
The HTML prevents them from selecting more than one picture as first
or second or third choice. [ie there can only be 1 picture for each].
2. Eventually they hit submit, at which point, a perl script will receive
the output of the HTML form [via STDIN]. In this form, each picture
has a variable name, and the perl script will parse through the
output and figure out which picture got each vote.
[A little background]. Before any of this happens, there will already
be 9 files in the directory [each called 4.data - where the 4 corresponds
with the picture 4[s|l].gif. The files will look like this:
25
1 sin 2 0
2 + 3 4
3 z 0 0
4 sqrt 5 0
5 5 0 0
Let me explain this one line at a time. The first line indicates how
many votes this particular image has gotten todate. Each time new
fractals are generated, this number gets reset to 0. Each vote
of 3rd place, would result in this being increased by 5 points,
a 2nd place vote, would increase it by 10, and a first place
vote would increase it by 15. {I just made this up, these can
easily be changed later...but thats sounds like a good place to
start}.
Each of the next lines, represent in a tree structure a complete formula
to generate that image with the fractint program. THe logic goes
something like this.
[Unique ID#] [Contents of node] [ID # of node on left] [ID # of right node]
[NOTE. The actual word sin would never really apear, in all reality
it will be represented as a [later to be decided on] constant integer.
For example sin might be 7 sqrt might be 8...etc]
If the ID# listed for a child is 0, then there is no child there. The
above code would creat this tree:
[Excuse the ascii art]
Sin
|
|
+
/ \
/ \
z Sqrt
|
|
5
Note at this point there is also a color map in a file called 1.map
which also exists. The details of that are still being investigated
by Alp. This is a detail which we are ignoring for right now...as it
really shouldn't effect the design, and we decided its someting we
can easily add later.
3. So the perl script comes along, and based on the votes updates the
first number in each of the files which received a vote. For example
if I vote like this: {1st choice picture 5, 2nd choice picture 4,
3rd choice picture 9}. The first line in the file 5.data would be
incremented by 15, the first line in the file 4.data would be incremented
by 10, and the first line in the file 9.data would be incremented by
5.
The perl script would also determin how many votes have been casted
since the last fractals have been created. This is most likely
kept track of in a file.
During all file writing which the perl script is doing, there must
be file locking to prevent 2 different votes interfering with eachother.
Assuming this is the 5th person to vote, the perl script knows its
time to update the current pictures.
4. At this point, we are assuming 5 votes have been cased. The perl
script generated an e-mail message which is blank apart from the
subject line which just says "FRACTAL_VOTE". This mail message
is sent to sumner@cc [Bob], who is runing procmail to filter his
mail.
In the mean time, the perl script will create a directory named the
current generation number and will copy all the current data files
into that directory. [ie, *.data *.map *.gif] It will also copy
a standard index.html file into there which just simply has all
of the images on it. This alows us to view our history of creation.
Upon getting one such message, procmail will call a simple shell
script on Bob's account. This will do nothing more than rsh a
process on nighthawk. There are 2 reasons for having this script.
First we need the process to run on nighthawk, and there is no way
for the webserver to [securly] start a process on nighthawk. This
intermediate lawyer [while a bit slow] will ensure that the we have
permissions to do this on nighthawk, and also prevent us from having
to make very insecure .rhosts entries].
In addition this allows flexibility to do other things before the
process on nighthawk beings if we deam it necessary later.
5. At this point, the process on nighthawk has begun. It begins by
reading the current .data files and parseing them into an array of
trees datastructure. It then uses the number of votes as a percentage
of how strong that particular file is [note all 9 files are read
in, none DIE, its just some will have 0 votes which means they
have a very high likelyhood of dieing in the genetic algorithm anyway].
After reading in the 9 files, this program will do the learning
process. Basically it will munge the trees around, taking parts
of the best ones, and joining them together to make new trees.
When its happy [however it determines that :)] It outputs a set of
9 new files, each with a .frm [if I remember correctly] ending.
Next 9 forked processes take those input files, and run them into
fractint to generate new gif images. [We are still somewhat unsure
if fractint can directly generate the .gifs...but most likely]
In reality each forked process will generate 2 gifs [one large
and one small] or else 18 processes will be forked.
6. Those new gifs will be wrote back into the directory where the web
page is. Thus updating the page, cause they will still be called
the same names. The actual HTML will not need to be updated.
We discussed briefly the idea of using a META tag in HTML to force
the page to refresh each time [This is my idea, I THINK such a thing
exists, but will have to look into it]
This process will most likely take approximatly 5-10 minutes on nighthawk,
the e-mail propogation time could be as long as a few seconds, however
the web page will be uneffected in the mean time. Worst case is that
a vote is lost because it is cast between the time the 5th vote
was cast, and when nighthawk actually writes back the new images.
Other things which we discussed during this time. First we agreed that
this will work. Most likely [and I just tried] cd /net/www-int is where
the internal server is located, so the access to these shared files
should be no problem assuming that both nighthawk and rossem can mount
the same directory. I would be willing to bet a leg-humping that they
are.
In addition we agreed that the issue of color changing is something
which Alp is looking into, but we will not currently consider it until
1. Alp knows what he wants to do there and has coded some kind of learning
for it in C or C++
2. We have the other parts working and have some spare time.
Bob mentioned that most likely without color intervention all of
our images will tend to move towards gray as learning continues...but
that is only a hunch right now.
We agreed to meet again in about 2-3 weeks [or sooner if we deem it necessary]
just he and I to discuss all of the issues which we discover as we enbark
on doing our respective parts.
I also need a modification made to the schedule. I now believe that
my part will take more on the order of 30-40 hours of coding. While
this sounds like a lot, you have to realize that its better for us to
over budget time then underbudget. And as such, I feel like its unrelistic
for me to say I can do this in 10 hours.
Finally, while leaving we decided that we still have to come up with
testing plans for all of this, and that should be a big part of tomorrows
meeting.
THINGS TO DO:
Bob...
1. Generate [by hand] 9 starting images and data files. Basically
make 9 datafiles, and have fractint generate the 18 images.
Get them to Enda as a starting place for the whole process.
They will also serve as a re-starting place should something
go terribly wrong...we can just copy them back in and start the
process over if necessary.
2. Get working on the learning process.
3. Talk to Alp about the color process and agree on a common language.
Alp...
1. Keep working on deciding what to do with color.
2. Experiment and find out how to learn what make cool colors
3. Come up with algorithm for color.
4. Get with Bob and integrate your process with his.
5. Get me coffee...just checking if your still reading.
Me...
1. Work on perl script to do whats described above.
2. Learn how to do file locking in perl. Not too bad...but never
done it before.
3. Look into the META tag.
4. Think about the testing plan for all this stuff...formalize it by
next week.
5. Fix up the web page after moving it to www-int and also update
stuff so the correct images are displayed when clicked on.
Lynn...
Can't really say that I know of any real programing tasks for Lynn...
however any help with any of the above would be fine I am sure.
There is the whole web page which you have been pulling your hair
out over, and which is looking great. That will still probably need
stuff. Please yell at whoever you need stuff from when you need it.
Add to the log 2 hours of meetings for Bob and I today.
===
Again sorry this is so long, but I felt it would be important that this
gets logged somewhere.
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Here is my initial assessment.
Well done!
Gregory
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Project Plan Critique
Project Plan
Team: DNA
Grade: (94 out of 100)
The following is a breakdown of the grading.
Schedule (48/50 pts)
In general, an excellent schedule. My only worry is that you are
overlooking some of the admin/documentation/editing tasks.
Important points:
- clarity (Can I interpret the table?)
- completeness (enough activities indicated?): You haven't listed
time to do required documentation. Where will that fit in? I really
appreciate your focus on the technical agenda of the project. You
clearly have at least one person in the group who has a firm grasp on
the big picture and the technical know-how to direct the activities.
- indication of milestones: Please add these to the overview table.
- time estimates for activities: good
- role assignment: good
Comments:
Project Description (20/20 pts)
Important points:
- length (approx one page) OK
- clarity (use of English) OK
- specificity (Can I tell what you are going to do?) OK, I tried
out the demo, but it didn't work when I clicked to see the current winner.
Comments:
The Web meets the lava lamp! Check out
this
paper on calming technology.
Related Documents (9/10 pts)
OK, but a little more text justifying why these documents are linked
to would be good. Might just be a matter of borrowing some of the text
in the description section.
Roles (8/10 pts)
Are personnel defined with respect to roles on team?
List names of people filling roles here as well.
Deliverables (9/10 pts)
Descriptions of documents and pointers?
Add dates.
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Group 8
Meeting Minutes
April 23, 1997 - room 102 CoC
4:30 PM
Attending:
Alp Sendil
Bob Sumner
Enda Sullivan
Lynn Bacher
1. Schedule revisions were made based on meetings by Enda, Bob, and
Alp. The Schedule will be revised and updated.
2. Our development and target platforms were discussed and decided
upon. These will be included in the requirements doc.
3. Our risk analysis was discussed for the reequirements doc also.
4. Lynn and Alp are going to meet on Sunday at 3:00pm to make final
revisions to the requirements doc. The others are to look over and make
any comments before Saturday.
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C. Lynn Bacher said . . .
=>
=> Hey guys,
=>
=> I've updated the pages along with new .gifs. Check them out as well as
=> the content of the requirements page. I'll need that other scenario
=> when you can, Alp. From everyone else, I need any updates to the
=> schedule.
As usual everything looks great.
I do have a few things though...these looked wrong on my computer, not sure
if its some funky kind of font problem...but
In the first scenario...there appears to be some random spaces in the words:
lead to a ma chine that runs an internet browser
But lately the fractal s haven't
Mrs. Jones likes the current on e so
Again in scenario 3:
characteristic s more similar to the pictures the child chose
Then in storyboarding:
way t o show
using frame s on either side
OK...under risk analysis...this is not true anymore:
Fractal generator - The votes would still accumulate but would not be processed
until the machine came back up. The programmer will be notified if this does
happen. After the machine is restored then the process will start again
when the web page next notifies that there is a new set of votes.
The truth of the matter is that the page will display a message saying that
new fractals are being generated and they should hit reload in 5 minutes.
Of course in 5 minutes that message will still be there...but thats how
it will work now. This is because of Bob and my fix for the voting
while new pictures are being generated problem.
The same thing applies to the mailserver, the page basically turns itself
off after 5 votes...and nobody can vote until new images are generated.
These are all minor things, and overall I think it looks spiffy...good
job
bye
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: New stuff on web
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:36:11 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: alp@cc.gatech.edu, bob@cc.gatech.edu, enda@cc.gatech.edu
In-Reply-To: <336154A1.1B2E@cc.gatech.edu> from "C. Lynn Bacher" at Apr 25, 97 09:04:33 pm
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Hey I just saw the requirements. It looks really good. The only ting
I might suggest is that we definately do a spel check.
Also I was viewing it over a 28.8 line, and I found
that I could not wait long enough for the story board
image to load in. It was probably over five miuntes
before even half of it came up. Also it didn't fit on my screen.
I really like the pricture and the idea of usining it to show our
development process. I don't know where Gregory will view this
from but if it's a modem, he may be waiting.. just a thought.
Below is my scenario. I realized it was a little longer than maybe
what I should have done, but I like it.. Oh yeah, Lynn, I've added
HTML
in it so you can tell where the paragraphs are.
On other thing. Do we want to try and get a re-grade on our assignment?
I guess if we fix the related docs and whatever else, we could get a100.
oh well, another rainy weekend. hope you guys have fun. cloudy skies
means no jumping for me.
later -
alp
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Darian listened to the jazz ensemble, as she sat in the corner of
the coffee shop known as under the couch. The music resembled a
mixture of blues and grass roots themes. The dim lighting gave it
the rustic coffee house feel. Thick carpets covered parts of the
hard wood floor, but their colors and designs could not be discerned
in the semi-darkness. Old couches lay adjacent to small wooden
end-tables. Small votive candles flickering on most of the tables,
caused shadows to dance on the low ceiling, surrounding the whole
place in a cozy atmosphere.
On the wall closest to her, Darian could see some kind of digital
painting. The flat panel LCD took the place of the canvas, and a dark
wooden frame bordered the image. The picture, a fractal of some kind,
consisted mostly of cool colors. The dark forrest greens bled into
shards of navy and then tapered off into black voids along the edges.
>From where she sat, Darian could not really see the band, but that was
the least of her concerns. She was meeting Gregory to talk about
some of her concerns with his latest software project. They had a
mountain of obstacles ahead of them, and even though most of the
best minds in the industry viewed Gregory as a software engineering
genius, Darian wanted to insure certain things.
She had arrived early, and as she sat on the couch, the image on
the electronic canvas changed. Slowly, it created a new fractal,
similar to the previous image. Some of the colors were the same, but
now among the blues, there were new wisps of purple. The more jagged
spikes from the last painting adopted more of a curve to them, and
most of the hard edges transformed into softer figures, almost cloud-
like. A digital lava lamp! Staring at the colors, Darian drifted
into a soothing day dream. Her thoughts were not about Gregory and
the software project, but of the blues and greens on the wall. They
reminded her of ocean waves battling jagged cliffs on the northern
coast of California. The image began to change again, and as Darian
came back to reality all she could think was "where can I get me
one of these!"
From - Sat Apr 26 14:42:29 1997
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: status report
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
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Yeah, I emailed gregory, who said that we don't need to put our status reports
on the web. In fact, he said that I should keep a hard copy so that he and I
can sit down and go over it when we have to. I'll forward you a copy of that
email. later
alp
>
> Do we have a status report for this week? How does that work anyway?
> Do you have to meet with Gregory or what? Just wondering....
> Lynn
>
From - Sat Apr 26 14:42:29 1997
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From: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
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Subject: Re: status reports (fwd)
To: lynn@cc.gatech.edu (C. Lynn Bacher)
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here's the email gregory sent me about status reports:
> From abowd@cedarhaven.cc.gatech.edu Wed Apr 23 23:42:53 1997
> Message-Id: <199704240342.XAA26890@cedarhaven.cc.gatech.edu>
> To: alp@cc.gatech.edu (alp)
> Subject: Re: status reports
> In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:40:48 EDT."
> <199704231940.PAA21325@felix.cc.gatech.edu>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:42:48 -0400
> From: "Gregory Abowd"
>
> Alp,
>
> In a recent message you wrote:
> >
> > Hey, so how's the popularity treating you? Must be hard to be loved by so ma
> >ny
> > people!
> >
>
> Not sure I know what you are referring to here. In case my popularity
> is getting too high, it will probably dip once assessments start coming
> in. :)
>
> > Just out of curiosity, as manager of my group, do I need to be submit a
> > status report to you? The report for last week's progress is on our
> > notebook web page, as will be all the following reports.
> >
> > Whenever you get a chance, if you would let me know. thanks!
> >
>
> No, you should make status reports available off your Web notebook, so
> that I can look at them if I need to. They are mostly for your use to
> help you update your schedule.
>
> Gregory
>
>
From - Fri Apr 25 21:04:34 1997
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Hey guys,
I've updated the pages along with new .gifs. Check them out as well as
the content of the requirements page. I'll need that other scenario
when you can, Alp. From everyone else, I need any updates to the
schedule.
Do you want to keep the animated .gif on the front page or do you want
one with a frame? I thought I did a pretty spiffy job making a tortoise
shell frame.
Have a good weekend. I'll be in the cluster....sigh....
:)
Lynn
From - Sat Apr 26 13:47:43 1997
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enda wrote:
>I do have a few things though...these looked wrong on my computer, not sure
>if its some funky kind of font problem...but
>
>In the first scenario...there appears to be some random spaces in the words:
I was having fits with that file. It's those stupid ^M's again. I'll
fix it.
alp wrote:
>
> Hey I just saw the requirements. It looks really good. The only ting
> I might suggest is that we definately do a spel check.
I'll put the notebook picture in a separate file.
> Also I was viewing it over a 28.8 line, and I found
> that I could not wait long enough for the story board
> image to load in. It was probably over five miuntes
> before even half of it came up. Also it didn't fit on my screen.
> I really like the pricture and the idea of usining it to show our
> development process. I don't know where Gregory will view this
> from but if it's a modem, he may be waiting.. just a thought.
>
I think it the scenario is great. I'll paste it in.
> Below is my scenario. I realized it was a little longer than maybe
> what I should have done, but I like it.. Oh yeah, Lynn, I've added
> HTML
in it so you can tell where the paragraphs are.
>
I've already made the corrections, so why not? :)
> On other thing. Do we want to try and get a re-grade on our assignment?
> I guess if we fix the related docs and whatever else, we could get a100.
From - Sat Apr 26 14:12:13 1997
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Do we have a status report for this week? How does that work anyway?
Do you have to meet with Gregory or what? Just wondering....
Lynn
From - Sat Apr 26 14:49:00 1997
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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 14:49:00 -0400
From: "C. Lynn Bacher"
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alp wrote:
>
> Yeah, I emailed gregory, who said that we don't need to put our status reports
> on the web. In fact, he said that I should keep a hard copy so that he and I
> can sit down and go over it when we have to. I'll forward you a copy of that
> email. later
>
Okay, but his e-mail says to have them web. Or did he write one thing
and say another? Anyway it doesn't seem that urgent.
Lynn
PS I remeber reading and now I can't find the note from Laura regarding
regrading the project-plan. DO you have a copy?
> No, you should make status reports available off your Web notebook, so
> that I can look at them if I need to. They are mostly for your use to
> help you update your schedule.
>
> Gregory
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